Grindelwald lied to him by saying Dumbledore is his brother and that he seeks to destroy him, to get Credence to seek revenge against him and kill him. First, as a Lestrange it’s He is not dead, as a wisp of his Obscurial apparently survived. ._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb{overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb:before{background-image:url(https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/reddit_pattern.png);content:"";filter:var(--newCommunityTheme-invertFilter);height:100%;position:absolute;width:100%}._37WD6iicVS6vGN0RomNTwh{padding:0 12px 12px;position:relative} There's absolutely no way he could have known about Credence's heritage if Percival was the father, and if Grindelwald was able to learn of Credence's birth if Kendra was the mother, then so should Albus and everyone else in Godric's Hollow. All this stuff about the aunt being the mother or him not even being real just seems a little crazy. But the wikis suggest their friendship only lasted a couple of months... which doesn't seem right at all... so I don't think she died in 1899 as people think and I think people are confused as to when that duel actually happened. 2. Who is Credence really? At the end of the movie, once Credence joins up with Grindelwald (Johnny Depp), Grindelwald tells him that his true name is Aurelius Dumbledore. Okay, but then, does he just pull the name Aurelius out of his ass? Is he Leta's brother? But still possible considering. Therefore, the trauma she had from the attack caused her to become one at a young age. He tells Credence that his “brother” has been trying to stop him, implying that his brother is Albus Dumbledore. This likely half-sibling relationship between Leta, who is currently engaged to Newt’s brother Theseus, and Credence introduces new reasons to worry that Credence may wind up siding with Grindelwald. ), or hell maybe make her alive and pin the final nail in the "let's ruin Albus's entire motivations and regrets" coffin, who the hell knows. ._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp{margin-bottom:24px;text-transform:uppercase;width:100%}._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp:last-child{margin-bottom:10px} The patriarch of the family, Percival, attacked the boys who did the deed and landed in Azkaban. I made a thread weeks ago about my theory that he was dumbledores son, first time I've seen someone else mention it, personally I'm convinced this is the way it will go...and maybe Dumbledore was possibly on the boat that night. This whole theory is based on the what you believe to be true. I like this and all, but Grindelwald says "Your brother seeks to kill you," referring to Albus, to Credence at the big reveal. ._9ZuQyDXhFth1qKJF4KNm8{padding:12px 12px 40px}._2iNJX36LR2tMHx_unzEkVM,._1JmnMJclrTwTPpAip5U_Hm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:40px;padding-top:4px}._306gA2lxjCHX44ssikUp3O{margin-bottom:32px}._1Omf6afKRpv3RKNCWjIyJ4{font-size:18px;font-weight:500;line-height:22px;border-bottom:2px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:8px}._2Ss7VGMX-UPKt9NhFRtgTz{margin-bottom:24px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP{border-bottom:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line);margin-bottom:8px;padding-bottom:2px}._3vWu4F9B4X4Yc-Gm86-FMP:last-of-type{border-bottom-width:0}._2qAEe8HGjtHsuKsHqNCa9u{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyText);padding-bottom:8px;padding-top:8px}.c5RWd-O3CYE-XSLdTyjtI{padding:8px 0}._3whORKuQps-WQpSceAyHuF{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px}._1Qk-ka6_CJz1fU3OUfeznu{margin-bottom:8px}._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-weight:500}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb,._3ds8Wk2l32hr3hLddQshhG{font-size:12px;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._1h0r6vtgOzgWtu-GNBO6Yb{font-weight:400}.horIoLCod23xkzt7MmTpC{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:#ea0027}._33Iw1wpNZ-uhC05tWsB9xi{margin-top:24px}._2M7LQbQxH40ingJ9h9RslL{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon);margin-bottom:8px} Dumbledore’s obituary mentioned only a brother and a sister. Can someone explain how credence can be Dumbledore’s brother?? Is Credence really related to Dumbledore? Was Grindelwald telling the truth? It's just too important, you'll see. But then Grindelwald calls him Albus' brother. .c_dVyWK3BXRxSN3ULLJ_t{border-radius:4px 4px 0 0;height:34px;left:0;position:absolute;right:0;top:0}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:start;justify-content:flex-start;margin-top:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._33jgwegeMTJ-FJaaHMeOjV{border-radius:9001px;height:32px;width:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._1wQQNkVR4qNpQCzA19X4B6{height:16px;margin-left:8px;width:200px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:12px 0}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._29TSdL_ZMpyzfQ_bfdcBSc{-ms-flex:1;flex:1}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx .JEV9fXVlt_7DgH-zLepBH{height:18px;width:50px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._3YCOmnWpGeRBW_Psd5WMPR{height:12px;margin-top:4px;width:60px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN{height:18px;margin-bottom:4px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2E9u5XvlGwlpnzki78vasG{width:230px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN.fDElwzn43eJToKzSCkejE{width:100%}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2kNB7LAYYqYdyS85f8pqfi{width:250px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._1XmngqAPKZO_1lDBwcQrR7{width:120px}._3XbVvl-zJDbcDeEdSgxV4_{border-radius:4px;height:32px;margin-top:16px;width:100%}._2hgXdc8jVQaXYAXvnqEyED{animation:_3XkHjK4wMgxtjzC1TvoXrb 1.5s ease infinite;background:linear-gradient(90deg,var(--newCommunityTheme-field),var(--newCommunityTheme-inactive),var(--newCommunityTheme-field));background-size:200%}._1KWSZXqSM_BLhBzkPyJFGR{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBackgroundColor);border-radius:4px;padding:12px;position:relative;width:auto} If Credence was a consequent of the blood pact, then he could be considered Dumbledore’s flesh and blood and from that perspective, his “brother.” And he would also be Grindelwald’s flesh and blood as well. (There could even be a Time-Turner involved… but let’s please, please not go there.) Credence's earliest year of birth (as listed on the wiki) is 1899, and Kendra was killed in the summer of that same year. There is also Maybe Grindelwald was lying? (just an opinion though). That's really just the beginning of her tragedies. Was he lying? Just like Credence from the trauma of his whole life situation. Anyway, I don't want to go into who the father might be as it will all be explained in the sequel but this is my theory on how it's going to play out. Is Credence really Albus Dumbledore’s brother? Do you agree with me that Credence is the son of Percival Dumbledore? The escape goat part killed me. Cookies help us deliver our Services. This is a place for fans of various creative works to share theories, interpretations and speculation related to that particular creative work. I mean Grindelwald is meant to be around the same age as Albus Dumbledore and he is acting as a father figure to Credence. Perhaps so, and Albus is just keeping it in, waiting for the right time. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Percival was sent to This will actually most likely get buried because it’s not going to a long-winded theory with lots of evidence. Ariana was an Obscurial, thus creating an Obscurus. .Rd5g7JmL4Fdk-aZi1-U_V{transition:all .1s linear 0s}._2TMXtA984ePtHXMkOpHNQm{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px;margin-bottom:4px}.CneW1mCG4WJXxJbZl5tzH{border-top:1px solid var(--newRedditTheme-line);margin-top:16px;padding-top:16px}._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{transition:all .1s linear 0s;display:none;fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);height:16px;width:16px;vertical-align:middle;margin-bottom:2px;margin-left:4px;cursor:pointer}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover ._11ARF4IQO4h3HeKPpPg0xb{display:inline-block}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs{border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._2IvhQwkgv_7K0Q3R0695Cs:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border-radius:4px;border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-line)}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:focus{outline:none}._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B.IeceazVNz_gGZfKXub0ak,._1I3N-uBrbZH-ywcmCnwv_B:hover{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk._35hmSCjPO8OEezK36eUXpk{margin-top:25px;left:-9px}._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:focus-within,._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP._3aEIeAgUy9VfJyRPljMNJP:hover{transition:all .1s linear 0s;border:none;padding:8px 8px 0}._25yWxLGH4C6j26OKFx8kD5{display:inline}._2YsVWIEj0doZMxreeY6iDG{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;padding:4px 6px}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);margin-right:8px;margin-left:auto;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-errorText)}._1hFCAcL4_gkyWN0KM96zgg,._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{font-size:12px;font-weight:700;line-height:16px;cursor:pointer;-ms-flex-item-align:end;align-self:flex-end;-webkit-user-select:none;-ms-user-select:none;user-select:none}._1dF0IdghIrnqkJiUxfswxd{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button)}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq{font-weight:700;color:#ff4500;text-transform:uppercase;margin-right:4px}._3VGrhUu842I3acqBMCoSAq,.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}.edyFgPHILhf5OLH2vk-tk{font-weight:400;-ms-flex-preferred-size:100%;flex-basis:100%;margin-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX{margin-top:6px}._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._19lMIGqzfTPVY3ssqTiZSX._3MAHaXXXXi9Xrmc_oMPTdP{margin-top:4px} Once Dumbledore and Aberforth headed to … This is an open area. Hence fawkes being there for credence, fawkes recognizes part of credence as being a Dumbledore and needing the most amount of protection. I believe that, if this is the case, Kendra must have had an affair and given birth to Credence; while Albus and Aberforth were away at school, Ariana was the only one around to discover the secret, and without her brothers around to calm her, she killed her mother by accident. So for Kendra, we have a very short time frame. It's weird, everyone's instant thought was that he was a brother, it wasn't mine at all, he looks WAY too young to be a brother. I will be really disappointed otherwise. SIGH From the Harry Potter wiki - “At the age of six, Ariana was attacked by Muggle boys who saw her practising magic, which left her traumatised to the point of rendering her magical abilities uncontrollable.” Guess what? /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/ReredditLink.f7b66a91705891e84a09.css.map*/ Credence is his brother only because the Phoenix showed up for Credence. he literally can’t be. Credence is a Dumbledore…because he is Ariana Dumbledore’s son. At most he thinks he lost it in the chaos. One puzzling question hanging in the air as we wait for the next film is whether Albus knew that Credence/Aurelius was his brother. There’s no reason to think Grindelwald is telling the truth yet. Just my opinion that I HOPE is wrong for the sake of the Harry Potter universe. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} Even the sister (who I think is the mother) would be 15-16 years older than Credence, an age gap that large is more unusual than a teen pregnancy in my opinion. Credence was 18 years old in the first movie set in 1926, so he was born around 1908, and Dumbledore is 45 years old in The Crimes of Grindelwald, set in 1927. Simply, apparently no. Grindelwald is lying completely to Creedance, and is using his immense, uncontrollable power to try to take out Albus. percival was sent to azkaban where he then died in 1890, kendra died in 1889 and credence wasn’t born until 1901. moist popular theory is that arianna's obscurus now resides in credence. The ship later sank during a storm and Credence was taken by Leta and Irma Dugard to a lifeboat. However, Aurelius is an entirely new Dumbledore, and it’s hard to imagine how on earth he could even be distantly Fantastic Beasts 2 is set in 1927. I dunno, maybe Rowling will try to introduce some contrived explanation to make Credence Ariana's son somehow - maybe make her an Obscurial, with him being a part of her that broke off (although wouldn't that make him some kind of Horcrux? Agreed actually, it seems so obvious considering how grindelwald manipulated evened in the movie, This is what I thought watching the film, but I’ve grown to fancy the idea that Ariana’s obscurity resides in Credence, I keep going back to the idea that Grindelwald believes._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} Credence is a Dumbledore…because he is Ariana Dumbledore’s son. If Credence is Dumbledore’s full blood brother, then the very youngest he could be, according to he established canonical timeline of the Harry Potter universe, is 36 years old. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The film´s producer said Credence will come back as a major player, and will have significantly bigger role in the following movies than Newt Scamander So when Grindelwald She’s built for novels, and by Crimes of Grindelwald, you could tell it was a very novel-like plot. Credence is a Dumbledore, and his name is Aurelius. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. That just leaves Percival and Kendra Dumbledore. Grindlewald tells Credence that phoenixes always appear to a Dumbledore in their time of need, because HE IS DUMBLEDORE’S BROTHER. SO because I’m still Also, people thought Credence was born in 1904 due to an adoption paper, but no one knew when Credence was born as he was swapped. Creedance is the son of Albus, who did not know he fathered a son. The big secret that Rowling has been sitting on for all these years, Ariana is an Obscurial. I seriously doubt Percival would have remarried - everything he did, he did for the safety of his family, and he could have easily told the truth about Ariana's situation and gotten a reduced sentence. Leta Lestrange (Zoe Kravitz) confesses in the Lestrange tomb that she 'killed' her brother Corvus. If you've seen The Crimes of Grindelwald you'll know about the massive twist at the end, it's revealed that Credence Barebone is actually Aurelius Dumbledore. Now, here’s where things get a bit tricky. I thought that was obvious enough at the end. ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} The ship's voyage was in 1901 and so the wiki is now saying that is probably when he was born. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. She couldn’t control her powers and would occasionally explode with magic, just like Credence. Hi everyone!! I also seriously doubt Kendra could have gotten pregnant in time with locals like Bathilda Bagshot noticing; surely this tidbit would have been included in Rita Skeeter's scathing biography of Albus. 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Aurelius Dumbledore is the lost brother of Albus Dumbledore, revealed by Gellert Grindelwald to Credence Barebone at the end of “Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald”. It seems strange that there’s been no mention at all of a fourth Dumbledore sibling. Also, Dumbledore brought up Ariana's death in this Crimes of Grindelwald film... so like... yeah, it'll play out in the sequel and everything will come together. But Dumbledore’s mother Kendra died in an “explosion” in the summer of 1899 when her daughter, Ariana, lost control of her magic . Grindelwald cannot possibly know that the pact-vial was given to Albus. I think people get so involved in this fictional world and the dates and everything that they forget this is a story, and stories tend to connect. You had so many chances to spell Credence right . Or are you just making fun of Aberforth’s affinity with goats??? Wouldn’t credence have to be much much older? The dude is obviously lying and he is not his brother. Harry's kid doesn't have a scar on his forehead because he inherited the scar-on-the-forehead gene from his dad, because that's not how GD genetics work. Grindelwald certainly could be flat out lying, but that'd be a bit too Last Jedi for me :P "you're not a Dumbledore, you're nobody". Once there, Grindelwald reveals Credence’s true identity to him: He is Aurelius Dumbledore, Albus Dumbledore’s brother. No one did. Later in the film, Leta corrects everyone's assumption that Credence is her younger half-brother Corvus by revealing that he died during a trip to America with the family midwife. Granted, both of these explanations are a stretch and trying to make sense of a contrived plot-twist. These are just the most plausible possibilities. Let's break it down. Doesn’t it say there was a body at her funeral...in the book. That would be Credence. 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We don’t know who killed her. Everyone figured it out already. I like this theory, somehow it makes sense? Now here's what I'm thinking, sometime between 1899 and 1901... she became pregnant (a teen pregnancy yes, I know, but it does happen, I'm really not sure why people are saying it's impossible just because she was approximately only 15 or 16, in fact teen pregnancies were quite a common problem in England during the time of the first Harry Potter books being written). Press J to jump to the feed. You gave 3 possbilities, but those aren't the only 3. What she needs is an editor who will tell her “this may work for a book, but this isn’t gonna fly for a movie”, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FanTheories community. We've also never heard of another Dumbledore sibling until now, which is weird when you consider that someone, somewhere, with all the wizarding powers in the world, could have sleuthed that skeleton out of the world renown Dumbledore family closet. Is it possible that maybe Dumbledore is trying to protect credence so HE sent the Phoenix to him? This doesn't make sense. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} This is where Rowling thinks she’s a secret genius: The worst part, when he finally finds her in the last film she will help him to understand his Obscurial-ness. Or is there a theory? None of this also explains how Grindelwald knows about this. His brother, Aberforth, appears in Harry Potter and the … A subreddit to discuss the new installments in the Wizarding World, the Fantastic Beasts series! Grindelwald may not be intentionally lying, he may be misunderstanding the true reason for the return of the Phoenix. Given that Grindelwald refers to Albus as Credence's brother, and assuming Grindelwald is telling the truth, then that means Credence can't be Ariana's child, as that would make Albus Credence's uncle. This is where the theory could go in a few directions. Therefore, Grindelwald needs someone else powerful enough to defeat Dumbledore. As far as we know, Albus Dumbledore only has one brother and one sister. Their lifeboat sailed to safety… It makes sense. Credence is a Dumbledore. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! Ehh, I don’t think she’s a sloppy writer, she just shouldn’t write screenplays. Anyway, for the sake of the series and the fandom I hope the Credence is Dumbledore thing if just Grindelwald bulshit. That means either he knows Albus had a brother by the name of Aurelius or he just made the whole thing up. SIGH. They don't just casually mention Dumbledore's sister's death while also talking about how close Grindelwald and Dumbledore are if they're not going to explore that duel that separated them and what happened. If he really is telling the truth, it’s likely to be confirmed in later movies, but for now it’s early to think Credence is actually Dumbledore’s long-lost brother - he still might Grindelwald claims that Credence is a mysterious missing Dumbledore and, given the fact that a phoenix appears to … It's weird, everyone's instant thought was that he was a brother, it wasn't mine at all, he looks WAY too young to be a brother. By nature, the Obscurus takes on properties of its host, essentially becoming part of them. Creedance is not blood related to Dumbledore, but instead hosts her Obscurus. If Credence is Dumbledore's maternal half-brother, the youngest he could be is 28.) The proof, he says, is in the phoenix chick who came to Credence in his hour of … At this point, she's set it up to be really cliche. Ok, so he does say brother, but another theory is Credence is Ariana's son. 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